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Mike Windsor's avatar

This is an important framing of the issue as both possible to solve and needing attention. Many people probably disregard factory farming for both those reasons: they think there's no way to make progress on a large scale or that it will eventually fix itself. On multiple occasions, I've seen journalists quoting years-old statistics on the egg industry because they assume that nothing could have possibly changed about the prevalence of cages in the US, when in fact 100 million fewer hens are being caged in the country every year.

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JoA's avatar

Punchy post, found it very motivating! I find the pessimistic case rather strong in a specific sort of framing such as "As long as humans and animals coexist, humans are very likely to exploit animals in a way that causes them significant suffering.". This means animal farming for food could be eliminated (just like we mostly got rid of horse carriages) but other uses could pick up - it seems notoriously hard to predict new sources of animal suffering, and advocates have been blindsided many times in the past (factory farming, insect farming, etc.). It also acknowledges the possibility post-AGI futures where human-animal coexistence (and thus, animal farming) might not longer be a thing.

But pessimists and optimists can agree on this point: we have enormous opportunity to improve the lives of animals. And I think this post highlights this perfectly.

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